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Is Metro-North Rider Etiquette Running off the Rails?

Why are empty seats occupied by people's belongings when there are standing passengers by the double doors?

On Labor Day, my family took Metro-North Railroad from Darien to Grand Central Station for an outing in the city.  Despite the holiday, or perhaps because of it, the train we boarded was packed.  People poured through the aisles in search of seats.  As the train started to depart, people settled wherever they could, many by the double doors. 

My eight-year-old daughter made her way toward two empty seats, only to discover a large suitcase sitting sideways on both of them.  The suitcase owner made a half-hearted effort to move the suitcase from horizontally to vertically to make one seat available for her, then told my daughter “sorry you cannot sit there” when the suitcase would not balance stably on one seat. 

There actually were quite a few empty seats taken up by people’s belongings.  Seated patrons who had spread out their things were concentrating intently on their electronics or staring into space with surly half frowns that communicated to the rest of the world that they were not to be disturbed.  A male Metro-North conductor passed through twice to collect tickets.  I’m sure he saw the standing passengers and the empty seats.  How could he not?  Yet he said nothing.  No one said anything.  No adults anyway.

Across the aisle from the suitcase owner, a preppy woman had taken up two additional seats to store her tennis racquets, folded up newspapers, and duffle bag.  A little girl, maybe five or six, pointed to the two empty seats and said “MOM LOOK!”

You have to love how children unabashedly call out what they see.  Instead of acting like she didn’t care about the empty seats like many of us adults were doing, this child was attracting attention to the very fact that stuff was where she wanted to be.  And as anyone knows, people matter more than stuff. 

The preppy woman reluctantly looked up from her Nook and said to the little girl flatly – not the higher friendlier voice grown ups sometimes use when speaking to small children - “Do you want to sit here?”  Knowing the lady was not offering enthusiastically, the girl looked up at her mom.  Was it really okay?  “Go ahead, honey,” the mom replied.  Newspapers and racquets continued to occupy the other extra seat, leaving the mother standing. 

Halfway to the city, a different female Metro-North conductor entered our boxcar and righted the situation.  She told the suitcase man the blatantly obvious:  “If you move your suitcase, then two people can sit there.”  He expressed concern about theft.  The conductor asked, “Who’s going to take it?”  The man, realizing that the double doors were not going to open again until his destination, laughed nervously, “Yeah you’re right.  There’s no place to go.”  The female conductor then carried his heavy suitcase herself to the standing area by the doors.  Looking embarrassed, the man followed her and stood next to his suitcase the remainder of the ride.

As I watched this man, I thought about how there were no winners here.  The seated passengers with extra seats may have had more elbow room.  But they looked awkward and uncomfortable – shifting in their seats and avoiding eye contact with everyone.  The standing passengers had balance issues whenever the train stopped and generally felt slighted and ignored.  And all of us, standing or sitting, were a bit saddened and demoralized by the poor commuter etiquette on the train.  It was no fun to see people being unkind to others.  It was particularly embarrassing because of the children who witnessed our bad manners and saw us do nothing about it, not without the help of the female conductor anyway. 

Maybe Metro-North could belt out more reminders on the intercom the way Amtrak does.  I’ve often heard the Amtrak conductor say cheerfully, “Unless you’re paying for two seats, please don’t put your bag in the seat next to you!”  Public reminders could be just the prompting we need to help us make the train a better place.

Would you rather stand than ask for an empty seat?  Would you ask for an empty seat in a five-seater section of a Metro-North train, where three seats face two?

Chris October 15, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Labor Day is not a typical day. More baggage, more people who rarely ride.
While the regulars are jealous of their space too, they know that trains will get full and most won't wait to be asked to move their stuff. As Paul says above, people move their stuff when asked, Now the people with enough perfume/cologne to make your eyes water....that's another story!
youhavenoidea October 15, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Try riding NJ Transit sometime- Metro North is like a private jet in comparison.
marilyn October 15, 2012 at 01:26 pm
I see bad behavior all the time on Metro North, and yes, it has gotten worse. I think it is because everyone nowadays thinks they are in their own private space: they have their coffee, laptop, phone, etc, feet up on seat (yuck!!) having phone conversations, texting, computing.....with technological advances people do not think they are in community...they just don't get it.
thais gherardi October 15, 2012 at 01:42 pm
Agree holidays are worse - I ride every day and, yes, people take an extra second to remove their items, but usually, just saying a nice "excuse me" works just fine - they are more aware of "the unspoken rules" in a way. Of course every so often there is someone who will stand out as obnoxious, rude... but that is life and I agree other commuters should say something; politely calling attention makes that person (and other offenders) uncomfortable and should hopefully – if slowly – prevent future occurrences. (You don’t want to be the one made an example of..)
ralphie October 15, 2012 at 01:53 pm
Republicans, Ugh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dee October 15, 2012 at 02:58 pm
I used to commute and like everyone says saw this each and every day. The commuter with the angry frown or nose buried in a newspaper/kindle or whatever shouldnt intimidate anyone...they are the ones who should be embrassed so I would politely ask if someone was sitting there and when they said no would simply wait for them to move all of their "stuff" so I could sit down...after the huffing and puffing would end I would smile and say "thanks" ....hey you pay to commute just as much as they do...period
victor October 15, 2012 at 03:32 pm
Holidays and get-out-of-town dasy have many non-regulars who don't like to put the too much stuff they travel with on the overhead racks. Daily commuters while having to cram in are accomodating if asked. We all share the mind robbing soul stealing ride in & out for decades and are actually a nice bunch just trying to get the day underway or get to home.
Frederick Klein October 15, 2012 at 04:13 pm
People put their belongings on the seat next to them so that other people will have to take the trouble to ask them to move their stuff, and it's just easier to go where there is an open seat. It is obnoxious and childish, and I have hated when people do this for years. Unfortunately, after years of this, it affects your own behavior, as you become less polite when you ask people to move their stuff. It doesn't take a clairvoyant to predict that other passengers are going to want to sit down on a crowded commuter train.
ckb October 15, 2012 at 05:00 pm
I always make sure to take up only one seat and never make someone ask me to move my stuff-its only fair. But why is it that the overweight people always seem to seek me out and sit down with spillage in my seat? One time I spent the entire trip back with someone basically sitting right on top of me, no matter how much I crunched to the window to avoid it. They just kept shifting and it was awful. Yuck. If you can't sit in one seat totally, then maybe you should pay for 2 or stand. It's not my fault
Elyse October 15, 2012 at 07:50 pm
I don't commute - don't think I'd want to! - on the train, but when I have taken the train, I've seen people with feet on seats, luggage, etc. When I take a weekend train, it's not unusual to see one guy (aka male) in the 4/5 seat configuration taking it all over with backpack, feet, etc. I also see well-off folk in those seats piling their booty (aka $$ goods) in bags on the seats. If a train isn't packed to the gills, sometimes it's okay to take two seats as there are plenty available. And every time I take the train, the conductor ALWAYS has to announce there are more seats upfront. Half the time, people just never look or are too lazy to walk the extra distance.
Roxie October 15, 2012 at 08:45 pm
I used to commute from Stamford to GCT and I've seen what jerks people can be just to get a seat. I've had people get on the train behind me and then run in front of me to get a seat before I could, including one woman who got on behind me and my sister and who cut my sister off when she saw there were two seats available and that we were obviously going to sit together. I've had people get on when I've been sitting in those five-seaters, who are crushed between two people, and then ask me to move my seat to an empty one so that they could be more comfortable, even though I got on first and chose the seat that I'd be most comfortable in. I also saw a man take up an entire seat with his golf clubs. Luckily the conductor made him move it, under threats of throwing him off the train because he refused at first. And it's only gotten worse as ridership increases.
John F. Braun October 16, 2012 at 02:34 am
Thanks to a new job I'm now a daily train commuter, from Fairfield to Springdale, and find it a great alternative to sitting on I-95 or The Merritt traffic, have made many commuter buddies along the way, and haven't had any seating issues.
If asked to move to let someone into an adjacent seat, I will, and when I've asked to take an open seat, with or without crap on it, I've never been told no. I agree that some get passive aggressive about it, putting bags and whatnot on the seat to discourage company, but sorry, that's what public transportation is all about. I think the worst I've had is a NYC to Fairfield PM train one time, where it was close to departure time, and the person splayed over two seats asked me, after my asking him if I could have a seat, "Do you really want to sit here?" to which my answer was "Yes" and he then took the single seat he was entitled to. What does get me is people who don't get the whole "let people out before you go in" concept, in that I've had people literally run into me as soon as the doors open. Come on people, let me get off first, then there's more room for you!
R. Ludlowe October 16, 2012 at 11:31 am
my biggest pet peeve is the fairfield commuters that line up in front of the doors, starting in Westport. Those of us that need to get off in Greens Farms and Southport are forced to muscle through crowds of self-absorbed people who have little or no self-awareness.
If you are standing in front of a door and its NOT your stop, chances are, bud, that someone behind you actually needs to get by you.
Charley October 16, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Your regulars know the etiquette. There are always those individuals who are simply rude and inconsiderate and feel entitled to take as much space as they can even when asked to place their bag above or simply not take up 2-3 seats by the manner they sit. Then again Metro-North is nothing compared to LIRR where their motto is "It's your fault for being here".
ckb October 16, 2012 at 01:01 pm
democrats, Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
David Moyer October 16, 2012 at 02:22 pm
Couldn't agree more! What ever happened to peace and quiet?
Siwanoy October 16, 2012 at 03:48 pm
at least on the LIRR and the NJ Transit you aren't taking a train from the 1970's.
Njbornandraised October 16, 2012 at 04:29 pm
Its not just the trains- it's the people. Much nicer crowd on metro north overall.
David Gurliacci (Editor) October 16, 2012 at 04:43 pm
I removed a cryptic acronym here. Some readers told me they'd seen very similar acronyms that stood in for inappropriate language. That's explicitly against Patch's "Terms of Use" policy (linked to at the bottom of every Patch page). Civil comments are very welcome, somewhat uncivil comments have been tolerated, and from this point forward, let's just keep them all civil and constructive.
David McCarthy October 16, 2012 at 05:30 pm
Boo. Censoring acronyms for suspicion of inappropriateness? Flag on the play. I did not see it, but I could not find it defined anywhere. I am pretty good at finding things like that, DG. If Urban Dictionary doesn't have it, it is not real, or its so arcane as to be meaningless. Unless you are willing to ban anything that has an F in it. What do you thinking about the increasingly popular frack? Battlestar Galactica introduced it in the 70's, but the reboot took it mainstream. We know what they mean...does that mean it's wrong?
J October 16, 2012 at 06:11 pm
My husband and I have no problem asking people to move their belongings if they are taking up seats. He's even gone so far as to lift up the heavy suitcases into the overhead bin for the people that can't. I don't think anyone should be afraid or unwilling to say something. Sometimes that all it takes to knock some sense into people.
Jeff Smith October 16, 2012 at 07:04 pm
Jenny, I moderate a rail forum, and I used to ride MetroNorth. I realize what it is like when you have kids (I have two girls, and I know you can't say what you're thinking) but don't take that kind of behavior. Your child asked nicely. I won't accept someone talking to my child that way. A simple "really?" might have shamed the person. But if not, grab a conductor. They're often busy with their other duties, have to rush to open doors, etc. to stop right then, but when they're taking your ticket is a good time to tell them. Remember, they only bought ONE ticket.
Brian Kesselman October 16, 2012 at 07:08 pm
I think it is reasonable to remove comments that are not appropriate. Certainly any acronym that can't be found online in resources like Google.com or Urban Dictionary, and for which the last 4 of the 5 letters match known acronyms that are offensive statements, is not a constructive comment in our community discussion.
For me, one of the big benefits of an online community is the free sharing of opinions. The value of the site degrades when members post cryptic comments, hijack threads with completely off topic submissions, or submit comments that become personal attacks. Let's work to preserve the benefits of Wilton.patch.com for all of us by contributing pertinent (on topic), constructive (not attacking), and personal comments to threads. Otherwise more members will give up on patch.com and our conversations will become more contentious and extreme due to the shrinking pool of contributors left after rude contributors drive away readers looking for intelligent discussion. I mean, OMG, there are plenty of articles about a variety of topics so people can join pertinent discussions and contribute to our community dialogs. Instead of being offensive, try keeping us ROTFL with humor.
Glen K Dunbar October 16, 2012 at 07:11 pm
I LOVE the trains. Wish I could take trains each day to work. Yet, because of work I should not be doing at home I sometimes have to drive ummmmm
Glen
R. Ludlowe October 16, 2012 at 07:24 pm
Seems to me that next time you should just remove it and not make such a big deal about the fact that you don't know why you did.
Darien Danny October 16, 2012 at 07:27 pm
TJCBSMFFF !!!
David Gurliacci (Editor) October 16, 2012 at 07:55 pm
Funny! If I'd known that this would've run the discussion right off the rails, I'd have been more vague! Next time I will be!
Dunn Glenbar October 16, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Steak ummmmmmm
Fairfield Old Timer October 17, 2012 at 04:39 am
I agree Mr. McCarthy!
Censoring acronyms for "suspicion" of inappropriateness is ridiculous! I saw the "offending" post before it was removed and Googled it and could not find one reference to what it means. Apparently, the editors here at Patch take other people's word that what is posted is "inappropriate language" even though it's just an acronym. They really need to do their own leg work before dropping the hammer on someone. They should also realize that some acronyms have several meanings.
Julie du Pont October 17, 2012 at 02:22 pm
I am a daily commuter from Darien to GCT and I find that during the week the "regulars" are very respectful. In fact, you are given a dirty look if you talk above a whisper because people want to read and drink their coffee or sleep! Few people block seats. I think the metronorth commute is a much better alternative to the subway, LIRR and NJT.
Having said that, there are your rude people that ride. Call them out on it! A few months ago, I was riding the train on a Friday and the train was packed! There was a suitcase taking up two seats (just as you describe). I inquired who owned it because I intended to sit down and got only "not me." I would not be swayed. I sought out the conductor and found him and explained that there was an "unidentified bag that no one was claiming ownership for" on the train. He realized it could be a security risk and when he inquired someone finally fessed up that it was their bag. They were chastized by the conductor who literally almost threw the bag out of the train he was so angered by the situation. The rude offender of the norm got plenty of dirty looks from the passengers. So I guess my point is 1) politeness is the norm on metronorth, 2) there are plenty of conductors who will enforce this rule with a vengeance if you ask them so do, 3) so be assertive and do not tolerate the behavior that you describe. Why should a minority of rudeness rule?

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