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Hoyt Sidewalk Proponents Object to #7 Ranking

A ranking of factors designed to give more objective reasoning to sidewalk projects ranks the Hoyt Street proposal No. 7, and proponents object as the town public works director agrees the rankings are pretty rough.

Correction: Jim Fletcher said he sometimes found himself "menacingly" waving his briefcase at cars coming too close to him as a pedestrian on Hoyt Street, not "maniacly" as originally reported in this article.

Proponents of a sidewalk to run up busy Hoyt Street toward the Talmadge Hill Railroad Station urged selectmen to fund the sidewalk, and some criticized a town ranking system for proposed sidewalks that only ranked Hoyt at No. 7.

"I actually got hit by a car," said Ray Hegarty of Barringer Road, one of several speakers at Monday night's meeting of the Board of Selectmen who asked the board to fund sidewalks for the northern end of Hoyt Street.

Hegarty said that on a Friday in January, probably Jan. 11, he was walking home from the train station when it was raining, and he was a bit closer to the road in order to avoid large puddles.

"This car kind of clipped me on the arm and knocked me back into the folliage on the side of the road," he said. "I was pretty shaken up—not hurt too badly, just bruises."

The car didn't stop, he said. Hegarty said he didn't file a report with police because he didn't see any point to it at the time—it was dark and, with the car's headlights, it was impossible to give any kind of description of the vehicle to police.

"It's getting worse," said Jim Fletcher, another neighborhood resident who lives on Barringer Road. In an effort to get cars to slow down or drive a bit farther from the side of the road, he said, "I find myself more often menacingly waving my briefcasae at cars as they go by."

Fletcher said he doubted that any other Darien neighborhoods that want sidewalks are as dangerous as Hoyt Street is.

"It really is quite dangerous," said Sophia Bender, another resident of the neighborhood.

These are the seven projects ranked by the revised system selectmen are considering in order to make sidewalk project decisions in a more objective, less subjective way. This list shows the location of the project, its cost and its numerical score in the ranking system, which considers various factors mentioned below:

  • Leroy Ave at Middlesex Ave.—$120,000—Score: 36
  • Edgerton to West Ave.—$36,000—Score: 33
  • West Avenue near Leroy Avenue—$75,000—Score: 33
  • Tokeneke Road near Old Kings Highway South—$75,000—Score: 36
  • Mansfield Avenue from Overbrook to Mansfield Place—$75,000—Score: 32
  • Mansfield Avenue and McLaren Avenue to Royle School—$37,500—Score: 24
  • Hoyt Street from Woodway Country Club to the New Canaan border—$640,000—Score: 20

The board made no decision on whether to adopt the ranking system or which projects to fund. Also on Monday, selectmen approved the erection of two signs to ask drivers to beware of pedestrians on the roadway, a state road that has no sidewalks, but which some commuters use to walk to the railroad station and where some pedestrians walk, walk dogs and run.

The ranking system, developed by Public Works Director Robert Steeger, with some help from Darien police, considered various factors in prioritizing suggested sidewalk projects. Each of 11 factors were given scores of 0 to 3.

Each factor was put in one of three areas: Safety was the top consideration, then "connectivity" (essentially revolving around how many people might use the sidewalks) and then construction considerations:

  • The three safety factors were "busy road" (how much traffic it handled), "accidents" (no accidents were found in any of the areas for proposed sidewalks in the past two years, so each project received a "0" score for that), and "pedestrian intensity of use."
  • "Connectivity" factors were whether there was a particular destination for pedestrians nearby, such as a school or train station, "connectivity" (whether the sidewalk connected to other sidewalks and how much), and "public demand" (how intensely neighbors had asked for the project).
  • There were four "Construction" factors, including how available the right of way is, amount of obstructions, how the sidewalk might affect the trees along the way and (a negative factor) whether or not there was already a sidewalk on the other side of the street.

"Connectivity" factors were weighted more that of construction factors by multiplying the connectivity scores by two. Safety factors were weighted four times more than the construction factors by multiplying the safety factors by four. Steeger told selectmen that he had increased the weighting of safety factors by multiplying them by four instead of three, as was in the initial draft of the ranking system he presented to selectmen back in January.

(For more explanations of individual factors and how they were given scores, see the documents in the photos attached to this article.)

Safety Factors in Sidewalk Project Priority Scores

Location

Busy

Road

Accidents

Pedestrian

Intensity

of Use

Weighting

Factor (to

multiply by)

Total

Safety

Score

Leroy at Middlesex 1 0 2 4 12 Edgerton to West Ave. 0 0 2 4 8 West Ave. near Leroy 1 0 2 4 12

Tokeneke near Old King's

Highway South

3 0 1 4 16 Mansfield: Overbrook to Mansfield Pl. 1 0 2 4 12 Mansfield & McLaren to Royle School 1 0 2 4 12 Hoyt Street from Woodway Country Club to New Canaan border 2 0 0 4 8

 

Since there were four constructon factors and only three factors in the other two categories, the multiplying of scores did not quite weight the safety category  four times more than construction, or weight the connectivity category twice that of construction.

Hoyt Street didn't fare well in any of the three categories and only received top scores in "public demand" and on whether there was an existing sidewalk. It was tied for last place in the safety category, scored in last place in the connectivity category and was second-to-last in the construction category. Its overall estimated cost—$640,000—was more than all the other projects combined ($318,500).

Connectivity Factors in Sidewalk Priority Scores

Location

Active

Destination

Connectivity

Public

Demand

Weighting

Factor (to

multiply by)

Total

Connectivity

Score

Leroy at Middlesex
3
2
3
2
16
Edgerton to West Ave.
2
3
1
2
12
West Ave. near Leroy
2
3
1
2
12

Tokeneke near Old King's

Highway South

2
2
1
2
10
Mansfield: Overbrook to Mansfield Pl.
1
3
1
2
10
Mansfield & McLaren to Royle School
2
2
1
2
10
Hoyt Street from Woodway Country Club to New Canaan border
1
0
3
2
8

 

Construction Factors in Sidewalk Priority Scores and Total Scores

Location

Available

Right of

Way

Terrain

Obstructions

(utility poles)

Existing

Trees,

Impact on

Canopy

Is there

Existing

Sidewalk?

Weighting

Factor

(to

multiply by)

Total

Construc-

tion

Score

TOTAL

SCORE

Cost

Estimate

Leroy at Middlesex
3
3
0
2
0 1 8
36 $120,000 Edgerton to West Ave.
3
2
2
3
3 1 13
33 $36,000 West Ave. near Leroy
3
3
0
3
0 1 9
33 $75,000

Tokeneke near Old King's

Highway South

3
1
0
3
3 1 10
36 $75,000 Mansfield: Overbrook to Mansfield Pl.
3
3
1
0
3 1 10
32 $75,000 Mansfield & McLaren to Royle School
0
1
1
0
0 1 2
24 $37,500 Hoyt Street from Woodway Country Club to New Canaan border
0
1
0
0
3 1 4
20 $640,000

 

(In a letter to the editor published by Darien Patch on Monday, neighborhood resident and RTM Member Holly Shulz wrote that selectmen should revise the proposed ranking system with more emphasis on safety and more detailed criteria. At Monday night's meeting, Shulz asked selectmen to fund engineering costs to design sidewalks for Hoyt Street.)

The intensity of pedestrian use of the sidewalks was considered one factor, but to get it Steeger took the population of the nearby area, since past experience has shown that when a sidewalk is available, people in the area will use it. The Hoyt Street proposal scored no points for pedestrian use, unlike the six other projects on the list.

A study has been done of pedestrian traffic along Hoyt Street, but not in the other areas suggested for the addition of sidewalks.

Selectman David Bayne, one of two Democrats on the five-member board, said that potential pedestrian traffic should be considered essential in decisionmaking about where to put in the next sidewalks, even if that meant conducting pedestrian studies similar to what has already been done on Hoyt Street.

Bayne and Selectman John Lundeen, also a Democrat, made various other objections to the ranking system (each of the objections would help the Hoyt Street proposal rise higher in the rankings):

  • Lundeen suggested that the narrowness of the road shoulder be considered a factor in the ranking system.
  • Lundeen also suggested that the "tree canopy" factor be combined with the obstruction factor, since concerns about trees seemed to be a part of concerns about obstructions.
  • Lundeen and Bayne both said that Woodway Country Club on Hoyt Street should be considered a second "destination" in the ranking system, along with Talmadge Hill Railroad Station. First Selectman Jayme Stevenson, a Republican, questioned whether, if there were only a dozen or so people walking to Woodway each day, it was therefore a big enough destination to warrant inclusion. Both Bayne and Lundeen said they thought it was big enough.
  • Bayne said he thought safety should be the biggest factor in the decision, even more than the other considerations combined.

The board made no decision on whether to adopt the ranking system, and Steeger said he would see whether he could get more exact information on traffic volume and other matters before the ranking system came back for another discussion among the selectmen.

"We'll continue to refine this so that, hopefully, it will become a useful tool," Stevenson said.

Siwanoy February 17, 2013 at 06:57 PM
The great mind of luca/seb can't wrap their head around that other countries have a Fleet Admiral. hahaha! what a joke you are. Maybe for your next trick you can once again decline to meet me in person next time I offer it to you!
sebastian dangerfield February 17, 2013 at 11:17 PM
Siwanoy Haha Tell me your name as you implicitly agreed and we can " meet". Youve firmly established you have no integrity. A simple name will establish you have some and that i could trust any meeting would take place. Ok? Sound fair? Fleet admiral now from a different country? Your mother's father. Cool...ill check it out and apologize if one is in order after you tell me your name. If honor is a part of your heritage, simply owning up to a simple affordable agreement would be sensible. Thanks man....lets move forward and you can turn my whole world upside down.
Lantern February 18, 2013 at 03:42 AM
Dangerfield, why do you pick fights with everyone? You seem like a very troubled person. What would your father think of you?
sebastian dangerfield February 18, 2013 at 06:18 AM
actually sinawoy-- you spoke about the service your family has offered to this country. So i naturally assume you mean a fleet admiral of the united states. Of which there were 4. The problem with you new vector is that with the exception of the Soviet Union--there have been no fleet admirals in other countries that would coincide with the age you put forth. I do a lot of reseach catching you in your lies--so, prove me wrong--which country was your grandfather a fleet admiral for? Unfortunately --if you check out each and every country with a Navy-you will find its simply impossible. Now if you said Great grandfather-- maybe. The problem of course begins though when you intially describe a relative as being one of only 4 men to have ever held that rank for the United States. And --in true sinawoy fashion, --you try to get out of your statement, rahter than owing it. We had an agreement. If i could pose Mr Sini asking the question more than 5 times you would state your name. YOu said "go ahead." Any reasonable person, will agree that when you say "go ahead" you are agreeing to the terms......now take responsibility.
John February 18, 2013 at 01:00 PM
I think dangerfield picks fights, because there are so many self-serving idiots, who play goody-goody. Like Noe said spend 25k and keep it simple.
Lantern February 18, 2013 at 02:26 PM
Sebastian, do you ever listen to yourself? You have now proven that no one's grandfather could have ever been an admiral in the Navy. I look forward to your next installment where you prove no country has ever had a Navy ... which will lead to the absolute conclusion that no sidewalk is needed on Hoyt Street because streets don't exist in Darien. What would your father think of how you turned out in life?
sebastian dangerfield February 18, 2013 at 03:02 PM
Lantern Are you picking a fight with me? No..if my grandfather was born in 1885-1890...can you do math that my grandchild is born in 1987? Thanks lantrrn. No fight...just point out untruths. But feel free to correct me.
sebastian dangerfield February 18, 2013 at 03:12 PM
Lantern Ill make it more accurate and easier math for you. With 4 specific men..its easy. Nimitz, born in 1885 had a child the latest of all 4. While most of his kids were born around 1915. , one child was born in 1931. So do you find it credible she had siwanoy at the age of 66? Is it fighting to point out absurdities? Siwanoy threw out a term he didnt understand was so narrowly defined. But rather than recoil, he chooses to continue his nonsense.. si? What do you think? Grandson of fleet admiral?
Siwanoy February 19, 2013 at 01:47 PM
since luca/seb and joe were unable to read past my "go ahead" comment, i'll post the full quote, "go ahead, he posted 4 times on this forum, so go ahead and quote him where he asked for them. to quote you: "I have read on this forum at least 15 times where Mr Sini asks for the numbers of people who walk on Hoyt." so go ahead and show the 15 times he asked in 4 posts." But sure misquote me, its what you do all the time, mis quote people then ask them to defend it. You still can't accept that you were wrong about my family, and keep on posting nonsense about the US Navy when I never mentioned the US Navy. This is about sidewalks, not any countries navy.
sebastian dangerfield February 19, 2013 at 02:28 PM
I didnt misquote you. I said he asked 15 times-you said he never asked once.(" how can you remember him asking for it 15 times when he hasn't asked for it once?") I then said"How about this--if I can prove that Mr Sini has asked for the numbers of people walking on Hoyt Street more than 5 times, will you reveal your name? "But you say Im wrong about Mr Sini --thats fine--just back up your contention and Ill go to work. Otherwise, accept the fact that its a reasonable question and I have seen it many many times." You then said "go ahead , he posted 4 times on this forum etc." What is "go ahead" then? The navy-etc? I think you tried to gain credibility by stating your family heritage of noble servicemen. Ok. I think it's natural to assume, when you say your brother is in marines that you were intending to speak about the united states. But if I made an error in assuming-then my bad. But, given your desire to inform people of your heritage, could you just mention, please, the country where you grandfather was a fleet admiral? I hope you are consistent in your desire for people to know your family's background--and not to now deny information. I dont need any names-- just a country. Thanks man--im sure your desire to publicize your background will remain consistent. I just hope once you either back up your assertions, or back down. Dont keep telling me I misunderstand/misquote etc.
Bailey February 19, 2013 at 04:58 PM
sebastian - what's wrong with you? Nobody cares if someone's grandfather was an admiral. Can I say that in all caps so you hear me: NOBODY CARES. Why do you do this over and over? You harp on some minutia of your own making and then pound it to death. Normal people don't behave this way. What motivates you to do this? What are you hoping for? I am heavily involved in the internet and I've never seen such extreme trollish behavior. I've taken the time to read some of you back posts. You have said many things that simply aren't true. And you have been caught. Repeatedly. In fact, you might be the biggest contributor of misinformation on these forums. But nobody harps on it. They move on to the next discussion. This is what reasonable adults do. Except you. Look, you aren't an idiot. You can conjugate sentences and buried deep down, sometimes you have an intelligent comment to make. But you negate all that with your trollish behavior, or is it childish behavior, or I've even wondered if it is autistic behavior. You should take the day off and think about what you are trying to achieve here. If it's to sway people one way or another, you fail. Epic fail. Not because you are dumb, but because of the way you behave. Wouldn't it be more satisfying for people to compliment you on a good point you've made, instead of people thinking you are a constant ass? ps: And no, I'm not Siwanoy. I'm just an observer.
Sandra February 19, 2013 at 06:01 PM
Thank you Bailey.
Boggs February 19, 2013 at 06:34 PM
Thank you Bailey, well said.
sebastian dangerfield February 19, 2013 at 06:34 PM
Bailey Awesome. Here is the chronology- I say that the discussion about priorities for the town to make, with respect to capital outlays (in this case sidewalk expenditure) should include the concept not only of safety, but that includes the number of people affected. I think it's fair. To this point, I say , for all the verbiage that is spewed by the Hoyt Street people about what they "NEED" they fail to address a very pertinent point. The point that you dont build a sidewalk for 15 adults who are commuting to a train station in New Canaan, over a sidewalk that would serve hundreds of people who are both young and old. I said that Mr Sini had asked the question numerous times without an answer. (I think mr sini was ultimately given an answer-although, it's source is anonymous.) Nevertheless, it was Siwanoy who decides not to address the legitimacy of the question, but rather if the question was even ever raised. This guy Siwanoy--also follows me around the internet (I live in Ridgefield but have 2 places in Darien, and a business, so my interest in Darien taxes is relevant, where Siwanoy's opinion on , for example, turf fields in ridgefield is curious to say the least). Siwanoy (as evidenced by one of his comments) has asked to "MEET" me --suggesting he will fight me(haha-if he only knew).... Siwanoy lies, deceives, and brings the discussion off track--so I ask you new patch user "bailey" why you think siwanoy should just say stuff?
sebastian dangerfield February 19, 2013 at 06:36 PM
also bailey--what other names have you posted under? Id like to read how you normally converse to have a template--but if you think erasing your past allows you to post without any responsibility for who you are, then you may want to examine your own set of principles.
Siwanoy February 19, 2013 at 07:00 PM
so because I comment on an article on the Ridgefield patch, i'm following you around, hah. I offered to meet you, if you want to take that as me insinuating I want to beat you up fine, that's your own issue, not mine. You won't take this advice, but get over yourself luca/seb.
sebastian dangerfield February 19, 2013 at 08:29 PM
siwanoy Id be happy to meet you--just as I said above. the problem I have is that you most likely, based on your history, say I misunderstood "meet." Or that Wednesday march 13, didnt mean wednesday march 13 ,2013. Or something very "clever" that you do. I think we both know your comment "go ahead" meant--"prove it." Let me ask Bailey etal, and you siwanoy: if a snow plow man comes to my house and offers to plow my driveway for 100 dollars. And I say " go ahead." You think he may think that he will receive 100 dollars? Or do you think its honorable for me to then say " I said go ahead, and prove that you can plow for 100 bucks--I never said I would pay you?" And, what part about "can you name the country your grandfather was a fleet admiral for" do you not understand? You can try to contest the posting in ridgefield--but if you truly were forthright-and willing to share your illustrious history you would tell me. And then, siwaony, id actually believe that you have some integrity. But if I agree to meet--isnt it reasonable to assume that you will find some wording that allows you to say i misunderstood? Thanks--Im more than willing to meet your terms on anything-- but you seem to be slippery. I think you owe me your name. I also think you easily can tell me which country ---and then at least Id have some confidence that you ever stand behind your words.
Siwanoy February 19, 2013 at 08:38 PM
re: your snowplow comment. In typical luca/seb fashion you ask someone to defend something that wasn't said, you keep on cutting off the rest of my quote, thus changing the meaning of what I said.. I might have been born at night, but sure wasn't last night, everyone is seeing through that luca/seb I understood your question fine, please, let me know what authority you have to demand answers. Maybe if you had come across in a more polite and professional manor you'd get your answers... as they say, "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar". also, since your having problems with this, i'll explain it out to you, I offered to meet you, past tense, you said no, and i've moved on. I owe you my name? thanks for the laugh.
Lewis Borough February 19, 2013 at 08:39 PM
Bailey you are telling this guy that he should not focus on minutia(e) and then you write minutiae. Sineway is clearly lying. In my world calling a liar a liar makes sense.
Siwanoy February 19, 2013 at 08:48 PM
Clearly lying? please explain. It's not my fault luca/seb didn't know that there are fleet admirals in navies across the world.
Boggs February 20, 2013 at 12:30 AM
Oy Vey - enough already, get yourself a good psychiatrist -
sebastian dangerfield February 24, 2013 at 10:39 PM
sinawoy Just to clarify you say that "people are seeing through luca/seb . Ha I can read the comments. Bailey is a first time poster -who vanished. Lewis called you a liar--and all you need to do is tell us which country your grandfather was a fleet admiral for. Why wouldnt you? But Boggs is against me because he loses arguments to me--etc. Joe Pankowski is the only person posting with his real name, and clearly he didnt side with your point of view. Anyway man--Ive never ever said no to meeting you. That is just one more lie. Is lying your thing? Anyway once again-I offer real thing in exchange for you backing up a point. Now all you have to do is simply support your contention. How about this: I will reveal my true name if you give me a list of the potential 5 countries that you say amongst who your grandfather was a fleet admiral for. Deal? Pretty easy.... You dont even need to let me know the one, if you are afraid for some reason it will identify you .
Siwanoy February 25, 2013 at 06:03 PM
" I will reveal my true name if you give me a list of the potential 5 countries that you say amongst who your grandfather was a fleet admiral for. Deal? Pretty easy.... You dont even need to let me know the one, if you are afraid for some reason it will identify you ." Here is the list: Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, United Kingdom. There is the list.. now for your name?
sebastian dangerfield February 26, 2013 at 10:15 AM
Thanks So the last Fleet Admiral for the Netherlands was Prince Hendrik --who b1820- died in1879 United Kingdom-- When professional head of the Royal Navy was given the name of First Naval Lord in 1828 (renamed First Sea Lord in 1904), the rank of Admiral of the Fleet became an honorary promotion for retiring First Naval Lords allowing more than one Admiral of the Fleet to exist at one time. There have been honorary titles given to such people as the Duke of Edinborough and Prince Charles, but since the 19th century, there are no fleet admirals that exist in a position of command. And in any event they are called admirals of the fleet. Not fleet admiral, an important distinction when you chastise me for not understanding that 'there are fleet admirals in other parts of the world" Similar to saying my grandfather was President of a Country, when in fact they only have a Prime Minister--you wouldnt say he was President if he were Prime Minister, anymore than you would mislabel a naval title, then say its the same thing. In any event--its been a ceremonial title for well over a hundred years. Portugal--no title of fleet admiral exists--and the last admiral of any kind (not dejure) (you do realize that the title fleet admiral is a highly specific term) was D. Maria José de Castro Pamplona, 9th Countess of Resende - 1908 Born 1848 Spain--no such thing as fleet admiral. highest rank captain general, followed by general admiral. Sorry man--but you are a fraud.
sebastian dangerfield February 26, 2013 at 10:21 AM
I do a lot of work--just to prove you are full of it-but not that hard-- the rank of fleet admiral is incredibly rare. the only country that has had a fleet admiral that could be the age of your mother's father, would be the Soviet Union. I knew you would not be able to say that, given the lack of emigration allowed..so therefore, sinawoy you can name a bunch of countries but unfortunatley, none of them make sense. As I said before--why not just admit you are a poser? That you dont take responsibility for much of what you say... etc? You are anonymous---what face will you lose by saying "yeah, I faked that and got caught. So what?" Its better and more sane than trying to keep your reputation, when everyone can see you are a pretender and someone who fakes stuff.
Boggs February 26, 2013 at 02:15 PM
Hey pal, I suppose what it is that you have expounding upon for the last couple of weeks, may be of interest to Someone, Somewhere, in the world, Probably Not ! Just a reminder to you, readers were led to this site for further info re: Hoyt Sidewalk Proponents Object to #7 Ranking
Siwanoy February 26, 2013 at 04:07 PM
As always, you assume you know everything, and accuse me of being a liar/fraud. let me guess, the Ambassadors and NATO officials were all liars when they wrote the letters to my grand father citing his work as a Fleet Admiral as well as other duties. Get over yourself, you don't have all the answers and aren't always right, this is old and tiresome. Enjoy your fantasy land where you're always right, and people on the internet care about you.
sebastian dangerfield February 26, 2013 at 04:46 PM
siwanoy No--the ambassadors are simply figments of your imagination. I just proved once again you are not telling the truth. How can he be a fleet admiral and your grandfather if the last fleet admiral was born in the 19th century? I dont assume I know everything. Its just that you tell a half story-- brag about things, and then suddenly shut down the information flow, when it becomes clear that your crap simply cant be true. I didnt even ask you which country. I asked you to give me a list of 5 , of which he was the fleet admiral for. Unfortunately for you, I already knew that no military title of fleet admiral has been offered for many generations. See how that works? Im not in a fantasy world, ironically. I dont claim to be something , its impossible to be. You can say that you are 9 feet tall-but if I prove that no human being has ever lived that is 9 feet tall, its not me who is in fantasy land. And if you dont get that--then I suggest you check into some mental facility. And this suggestion, is not meant as an insult....it really isnt. If you think that claiming to be something it's impossible to be is reality--then you should consider help. I dont claim to have all the answers--but somethings are simply impossible. and you have a well defined history of avoiding responsibility for your statements.
sebastian dangerfield February 26, 2013 at 04:47 PM
it only got 'old and tiresome-' not when you listed the countries and demanded my name 15 hours ago. it got old when you got exposed -- just fess up--then it ends the issue.
Siwanoy February 26, 2013 at 04:52 PM
Now your telling me I have letters in my home that at figments of my imagination, you've lost it! When I skype my grandfather this weekend we'll have a good chuckle about how someone accused those men of being liars. I could see you in person and show you the letters and it still wouldn't be enough for you, as i've said before, you declined to meet me the 1 time I offered. Your words:" I will reveal my true name if you give me a list of the potential 5 countries that you say amongst who your grandfather was a fleet admiral for. Deal? Pretty easy.... You dont even need to let me know the one, if you are afraid for some reason it will identify you ." I provided the list, I'm very confident in my family's history you say its impossible, yet, here, in real life, its true. Sorry. once again, Get over yourself.

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