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Here's Part of What the Board of Selectmen Won't Show You Online for Monday's Meeting

A proposed transfer station fee increase, proposals for recycling textiles (cloth and old clothes) and fluorescent lights and a $437,500 legal settlement are among items on the agenda for Monday's Board of Selectmen meeting.

The Board of Selectmen won't make the documents they see for their meetings available on the town website (or anywhere online), and the majority won't say why. Nor will First Selectman Jayme Stevenson's office regularly email documents that are created electronically.

Instead, documents, many of which were created electronically within town government, are printed out and then hand-delivered to selectmen at their homes and made available in paper form to news organizations. Here's part of what they'd force you to go to Town Hall during normal business hours to find out.

This is a selection of most of the documents in the "packet" for the Monday, March 25 meeting of the Darien Board of Selectmen. The agenda is online at the town's website.

Editor's note: This article originally was published on Friday.

Tom March 22, 2013 at 10:55 pm
What you fail to understand is the pretty much NOBODY CARES
Animal Farmer March 22, 2013 at 11:14 pm
I care.
Tom - Kind of silly that you are going to tell us what every else is thinking.
Tom March 22, 2013 at 11:32 pm
I said pretty much. Apparently you care about proposals for recycling textiles more than most. I can see why people should be marching on town hall with torches and pitchforks.
Animal Farmer March 23, 2013 at 12:21 am
Oh, that's right. You said pretty much. So you don't know what everyone is thinking, just what the vast majority are thinking. Thanks for clearing that up.
I'm not sure what your bigger point is. I find municipal government very interesting. I laugh, when I think back, I won the Civics Award in High School. Curious why you seem so bothered by people who show interest and want to help the town. I'll throw in this other point. I probably spend about $1,000 a year on donations to the town in various ways. These are places where I volunteer and when they need something, I buy it and then never bother to get reimbursed. I also have cleaned up broken glass from public land and litter from roads. Not just as a one off thing. I make a point of doing it every year in the fall. I do all this to help the town and my neighbors. Do you think your mocking tone motivates me and others to continue? Would you like me to stop?
Tom March 23, 2013 at 12:38 am
Animal Farmer - my point is there seems to be some vendetta against the town leaders for not posting every piece of paper online. I would argue that very few people in town have much interest in "what the Board of Selectmen won't show you online" in this case. It is being hinted that they are trying to conceal something. I am not bothered by people who show interest in helping the town. Why would you think that?! Kudos to you for helping to keep things clean. You clearly seem to have missed my point.
Animal Farmer March 23, 2013 at 03:21 pm
I think what's happened here is some officials don't take constructive suggestions very well. If I was in that seat and a resident came to me and asked that all documents be released to everyone at the same time, I would have said, "You are right. I'm sorry it wasn't being done that way. I'll make sure it is done that way from now on. Thanks for the suggestion."
Then there would be no issue and we'd be done with this. Some people get this. Some people don't. Human nature. Having run a large company, I would see this "don't tell me what to do" attitude in some middle managers. They were the ones who I never promoted into higher positions..
Porter Gladstone III March 23, 2013 at 05:58 pm
Animal Farmer:
I think you should not be anonymous. You should be proud of all what you claim to be. Please change your sign in to your real name. We need people like you to stand up and be proud!
Tom March 23, 2013 at 06:15 pm
Animal - that IS what they do. Everyone can pick up the info at the same time. They are being criticized for not having everthing online. The average person doesn't care to read through every piece Od documentation imo. The agenda let's folks know what will be discussed. If they are interested enough they can pick up further info before the meeting or attend the meeting.
Animal Farmer March 23, 2013 at 07:57 pm
Tom, apparently they do not release the documents at the same time to everyone because that's what started this entire conversation. One news outlet had the documents, but another did not. And some people on this forum think officials should get the documents before everyone else.
And expanding on what I said before, if I was in that seat I would have also agreed to releasing the documents electronically. I think in fact ths should be a state statute. We almost got there. We had a state statute saying all agendas and meeting minutes must be posted on the town website. Now the state has undone this law. One step forward, two steps back.
Porter Gladstone III March 23, 2013 at 08:01 pm
Animal Farmer, You should sign in with your real name. Please do it.
Tom March 23, 2013 at 08:52 pm
Animal:
1. Possible someone from the Board sent it to one "news outlet" not realizing it "has to" go to every other "news outlet" in Darien? 2. Absolutely officials should be able to look over documents before everyone else. 3. The agendas and minutes ARE on the town website. The issue here is some want EVERYTHING in the the "packets" online. Not only must that me time consuming (and probably isn't budgeted for) but there are some documents that simply cannot be put online.
Animal Farmer March 23, 2013 at 09:27 pm
2. " Absolutely officials should be able to look over documents before everyone else. "
Why? There is no basis in state law or town charter which allows officials to decree that they get documents before the general public. Federal law says something about it though. "All men are created equal." No special privileges. Should some officials get special consideration on their property taxes? Should some officials be able to get a traffic ticket undone? Should some officials be given a discounted price on personal services? I think this has happened in Connecticut. That's the thing about laws. They need to be consistently upheld, or you lose the faith of the public. Doesn't matter if we are talking about the release of documents or an official getting his taxes reduced, no special treatment. 3. "The agendas and minutes ARE on the town website. " Not everywhere. Not always.
Archie March 23, 2013 at 10:18 pm
does that go for you also Luca the phony?
Tom March 24, 2013 at 01:01 am
Animal - how can the officials be prepared and give an intelligent answer if they don't see the documents 1st? There is also no basis in state law or town charter which does not allow officials to "decree" that they get documents before the general public. These people are elected to lead. They need to see what is presented to them so that they are PREPARED in a discussion. This has nothing to do with property taxes, traffic tickets, discounted prices, etc. It is all about information that officials discuss at public meetings. These officials need to read the information, digest it, answer questions, and present it to the general public. I would much prefer my elected officials to be prepared. This isn't about local media trying to break the "news" before the news happens.
Of course not ALL of the agendas and minutes are ALWAYS online for EVERY committee, board, and commission. There are so many steps along the way where this information may not be posted. My best guess is that no one is trying to deceive you. If your expectation is that all public documents will immediately be online, you will be sorely disappointed. Read the agendas. If something sparks your interest, get the supporting document or attend the meeting. It really isn't that hard.
Porter Gladstone III March 24, 2013 at 01:02 am
If I was in that seat and a resident came to me and asked that all documents be released to everyone at the same time, I would have said, "You are right. I'm sorry it wasn't being done that way. I'll make sure it is done that way from now on. Thanks for the suggestion."
Then there would be no issue and we'd be done with this. Some people get this. Some people don't. Human nature. Having run a large company, I would see this "don't tell me what to do" attitude in some middle managers. Animal Farmer, I have asked you nicely to sign your name. Why havent you? Are you taking the position of " dont tell me what to do?" This could have been over with just by complying. Interesting that you have decided that everyone should do what you believe is reasonable, yet you dont seem to comply with my reasonable stance. See how that works? Maybe the officials have adopted the stance that you exhibit, not the one that you have written.
Animal Farmer March 24, 2013 at 02:48 am
Tom, I don't want to go in circles here, but the problem with your suggestion is that officials get the document at noon. Lowly caterpillars like me often only get the document when it is discussed at the meeting. I haven't had enough time to review the document, so I can't ask intelligent questions or point out errors for that matter. We want residents to be involved and ask questions right? So what's your suggestion on how to solve this where both the residents and the officials are happy?
Schuyler Colfax March 24, 2013 at 03:33 am
Of course the docs should be online. And of course people care. And of course it looks like the BoS is deliberately trying to hide something. Earth to Jayme, put the docs online.
Schuyler.
Darien Taxpayer March 24, 2013 at 10:10 am
I'm glad the Patch Editor is not letting up on this. Jayme Stevenson's stonewalling is impossible to accept because the decision is a no-brainer. In this digital age, all agendas. meeting materials and minutes should be posted on the website so those taxpayers who are interested can view, study and be prepared to ask intelligent questions if they want (executive session materials excepted.) An announcement alert should be sent out to all the media at the same time in one email that the 'packet' has been posted on the Town website.
Simple solution and problem solved. Taxpayers who aren't interested can skip it easily enough, but this town is full of volunteers who care about what goes on in Town Hall. Weak excuses about 'workload' don't cut it. Digitizing is the same as copying it once. Frankly. Jayme Stevenson's resistance is the opposite of the transparency she promised. We all expected better, but here is hoping she realizes her mistake and wises up.
Tom March 24, 2013 at 02:34 pm
I believe all the documents are available to us caterpillars the Thursday before the meeting. I pick them up on Friday if there is something interesting on the agenda.
Tom March 24, 2013 at 02:34 pm
There has to be a conspiracy of great magnitude here. There just HAS to be.
David Gurliacci (Editor) March 24, 2013 at 02:59 pm
You do, Tom? I wasn't aware that they were made available to anybody but reporters and the board. Are you a reporter?
Perhaps you could post them online for the rest of us and save me the trouble. You realize the caterpillars at work don't get the opportunity to regularly go to Town Hall during the work week, right? Another alternative would be to find some civic-minded individual or group to do it. It's too simple for an eagle scout project. Perhaps a cub scout pack could do it. We could explain to them that, for some reason that hasn't been given to the rest of us (maybe when you stop by Town Hall you could ask) the documents created electronically are only available on paper to the rest of us, so could they please convert them into electronic format again so the rest of the town could see them before the meeting.
Tom March 24, 2013 at 04:15 pm
David,
My apologies. Meant I WOULD pick them up if I found anything interesting on the agenda. I could always say I had a blog or was a reporter or something. I really don't have that much interest in what is discussed so I won't scan them and post them online. Sorry I can't help you. I don't think that it is most people don't have the time to pick up the information, I believe it is most people don't care enough about textile recycling. I could be wrong though. Are you saying that the forms are in electronic format but weren't given to you when asked? That isn't right.

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